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Resizing and Printing

...Can anyone explain to me> what the best way is to crop a shot to maintain image quality? I have> been using the crop function in Photoshop because I can get the exact> size and resolution I want.

I assume you're scanning from a neg - if so you should generally always crop in your scanner software . That way you get a bigger and better quality file to work off than if you crop in PS afterwards which just discards a chunk of your data and ultimately resolution ....... Steve
 
HI Steve,

Yes, I may stand corrected. B & W is not my printing forte and if there is a difference between 1440 and 2880, thanks for enlightening me.

Guy
 
Guy,

> If you're talking about "dpi" in your printer
> configuration 360dpi is very low quality
> printing. Most good printers can print at least
> up to 1440 dpi and some, like the Epson 2200 can
> print up to 2880dpi.

Well, Guy, you're wrong here. None of inkjet printers sold in retail can print at 1440dpi. As a matter of fact, practically none can print at even 300dpi. I'm pretty sure same applies even for high-end publishing-class inkjet printers. The thing here is that everytime you hear "dpi" and "inkjet" on one line, these are marketing department dpi's. These are not continuous tone dpi's used by the rest of imaging industry.

If we take LightJet as an ex&le, it can produce prints at approx 305 dpi. That is, continuous tone dots. Same applies for many thermal printers.

When we talk about 2880dpi inkjet printer, it means 2880 dots of different basic colors (depends on color of inks used in the printer) overlapping each other over one inch of paper simulating continuous tone, but the quality of image produced won't reach that of 305dpi LightJet print.

It's important to realize this every time when some sales bozo is trying to convince you to buy a new inkjet because of its "superior resolution"

Mike.
 
Hi Mike,

Thanks for your feedback. If you're talking about mathematical correctness you might be right. However in the real world where we buy printers, etc through marketing stuff and those printers have the hype displayed in the windows on our computers I think my statements stand. Perhaps lower end printers can't print at "1440" dpi (I understand that we're talking about overlaying ink dots) but I know my Epson 2200 can and I'll bet there are a lot of photo quality printers that claim they can too.

I do printing on a Lambda printer also and it prints at 200dpi and it's incredible. The reality of dpi in the inkjet world may be marketized but it is a language that most of us amateurs and pros (excluding the serious Lambda/Lightjet/press world) live by. We compare most all "prosumer" and "consumer" products by the same language, whether that language is truly correct or not, it works as a basis for comparison.

I don't know how many of us are professionals in the Imaging World, probably not too many. And those who are know better so I'm not worried about them being misled by those marketing bozos. For the rest of us I have no problem talking in the language of what's printed in our user manuals and what shows up on our computer monitors (which I think is what the original question about this was talking about). When a "new and greater" product comes out I just look at the results before getting suckered into buying. I don't care what the language is I know how to see quality.

Guy
 
I would agree Guy,its obvious to me i get the best prints at the highest setting,ie 1440dpi.Whether that figure is a true figure,ie its really 300dpi if calculated without marketing spin is irrelevant,on my printer the pics are crap at 300 compared to 1440!
 
>Greg, >My method of cropping in conjunction with Miranda SI action is as follows. >I will crop before enlarging if the cropping is not related to a framing >size - just aesthetic. I crop without changing the resolution. If I am >cropping to get a particular size, then I crop after using the SI action. >Of course, for smaller sizes, I never use the SI. If resizing for smaller >sizes, like 5x7 or 8x10, I let the cropping tool change make the >resolution adjustments as well. Also, I do not like Miranda's SI >sharpening. I always sharpen separately just before printing. I also >sharpen at the beginning. For ex&le, at the beginning I scan with little >or no sharpening then will sharpen in Photoshop with zero threshold and >zero radius. When converting RAW digital files, I will also sharpen with >zero radius and zero threshold. At the other end, just before printing, I >will add the radius and threshold depending on the objects in the photo. Fred
 
Guy,

Understanding dpi is important, since every time when you need to print anywhere else (besides your own inkjet printer), you ought to speak the same language as the industry speaks to get acceptable results. That applies to Photoshop as well. Since you do know the difference, it's best that you use the proper terms as well. Otherwise it will just confuse a lot of people
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And by the way, just FYI, most monitors have resolution of 72-75dpi only.

Mike.
 
Hi Mike,

Point well taken. I also think it's good to use the language that fits the moment. I don't know if the original poster wanted to know at that moment the "real lingo" or just wanted to understand his world. But thanks for your POV. Happy printing.

Guy
 
Some terminology is confusing.

If you're printing a 360 dpi image on a 1440 dpi printer, the two terms mean different things. The 360 is actually pixels-per-inch and has nothing to do with dots, and the 1440 is 'printer dots.'

'Dots per inch' (dpi) can mean different things in different contexts. A lot of the terminology we use originated in halftone printing, where the final product, like a book or magazine, is printed with little dots, but these are a completely different kind of dot.

I think that we should always refer to file resolution in pixels per inch (ppi), no matter what. What you mean is always obvious if you do this.

A continuous-tone printer actually prints solid-color pixels that look just like what you see on the screen - little square tiles that butt up to each other. If an area has a 25% value of a color, there's a solid 25% value there, with no dot pattern in it. No dots are involved in the process, so I personally think that these should also be referred to as pixels-per-inch.

An inkjet cannot produce a continuous-tone image. Instead, nozzles spit tiny droplets of ink onto the paper. If you have a 25% value of a color in a certain area, the nozzles spit enough little droplets there so that 25% of that area is covered with ink and 75% is left blank. These little droplets correspond to 'printer dots' - there are 1440 possible printer dots per inch. The dots are much too small to see, so you see the spattering of tiny dots as a 25% value of that color; also, the droplets blot into the paper, spread, stick together, etc., so they don't stay as little perfect dots. It's all really a way of delivering a precise quantity of ink into a very tiny area.

An inkjet printer divides up the surface area it is going to print into 'cells'. Each cell covers one pixel's worth of surface area, so when printing a 360 ppi file, there are 360 cells per inch, one for each pixel in the original file. The nozzles then spit the correct number of droplets of each ink color into each cell to make up the color value of that pixel. So, the final image is both 360 dpi (pixels per inch and cells per inch) and 1440 dpi (printer dots per inch).

You have a big tradeoff here - the more pixels per inch you have, the more fine texture and detail your image will have, but the fewer subtle colors - higher resolution means more pixels/cells per inch, so each cell has fewer printer dots in it. As you decrease the resolution, the opposite happens - you get more dots in each cell, and therefore have more possible tones. If you have 360 cells per inch, and 1440 printer dots per inch, divide 1440 by 360 and you'll find that each cell can contain 4 x 4 printer dots (or 16 dots total). That means that there can be only 17 possible values of each color - 0 dots, 1 dot, 2 dots, etc. up to 16 dots, or solid coverage. Since high-end printers have 6 or more colors, you have in theory a maximum of 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 total possible colors (although a lot of these are not actually useable). If you printed at 288 dpi, you'd have 25 dots/values per color, and at 240 ppi you'd have 36 dots/values per color. So, make the resolution too high, and you risk color banding and possible posterization problems because higher resolution limits the number of available values of each ink. A large part of the reason that higher-end inkjets have additional colors like light magenta and light cyan (and sometimes two or more blacks) is to be able to create more values of these important colors with the same number of dots in as tiny a cell as possible. In a final print, there are so many dots and so many ink colors that it's almost impossible to see individual printer dots even under extreme magnification - again, this is all a way to get the right amount of ink in the right place.

When you print, no matter what the resolution of the original image, the printer software will divide the image up into the number of cells equal to the resolution you told it to print at. If there are more pixels in the original image than cells in the final print, the printer will simply average together the values of more than one pixel to get the final value of each cell. No matter what the original resolution, the printer will end up with the same number of cells and use the same quantity of ink. The only tradeoff is that it will take a little longer to compute each cell's value, which means a slightly longer delay between when you hit the print button and the when image actually starts printing. I prefer to do this most of the time, so that I'm not making different sizes of file each time I print something at a new size. However, if you're trying for ultimate quality, things like sharpening should be done specifically for the size the image will be used at, and in these cases I'll size the file to fit.

2880 printer dots per inch theoretically give you four times as many printer dots per cell (8 x 8 = 64 instead of 4 x 4 = 16), but it's difficult to keep the droplets small and regular enough to see a lot of difference, and the right paper surface is critical. The difference between 1440 should not be increased resolution and detail, but more subtle colors and smoother color transitions. Resolution of fine detail is pre-determined by the number of pixels in the original file; a 1440 and 2880 print from the same file will have identical levels of resolution. In a photo print, grain limits the smallest details you can resolve. In the case of inkjet prints, the grain (the printer dots) are already much smaller than the pixels, and no detail can be smaller than one pixel (remember that 'pixel' is an abbreviation of 'picture element', the smallest possible piece of a picture).

If you're printing with only black ink, at 1440 dpi and 360 ppi you'll only have 17 possible values (including white). Printing at a lower ppi or with a higher number of printer dots with black only would give you a much more dramatic improvement than you'd get doing the same thing in full color.

- Paul
 
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