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Gilbert, post 15.
Larry, my point was aimed at the photos you reffered as "you see the instant results". Is there any kind of work involved in your side to ..lets say increase the amount of light in certain area (you're familiar with the terms..dodging,etc.)of the print( well, photo). I don't think so, unless you use PhotoShop and then IMO you are out of the boundaries of photo, you're playing with graphic effects in a computer.
I see that you mention life expentancy of CD and prints from digital compared to your lifetime.CD's lifetime is very short, an scracht and done. That is a wrong point of view, if you want to become an artist or at least want to leave a legacy to the future or your family, look for something that last longer and print paper had done that, you know it. If your slides or negatives are fading it's your fault, must be poor storagemaybe,who knows.. under proper conditions they will last more than a century.
Regarding lab. costs, a regular(you call fumes) lab decent equipment complete set will cost you around 800.00 or 900.00, add 300.00 more for making or fixing(putting together the lab plus chemicals and paper) and still you tell me that you save in digital? That your first print is always a keeper? Sure, after considerable time in PhotoShop it is possible.Remember that digital has to keep with changes in technology or it get behind competition, and that, it is money, a new computer, maybe a new program, a new camera, lens, who knows...that is a lot of money. How much someone in photo business that is on the top has to spend in new equipment in 10 years?

"The medium is not the message. It is not film or digital at issue. The quality of the work you see is a matter of the photographer's skills."

....I a gree with you.
 
Robert

"Larry, my point was aimedat the photos you refferedas you see the instant results. Is there any kind of work involved in your side to
.lets say increase the contrass or amount of light in certain area (you're familiar with the terms..dodging,etc.)of the print( well,
photo)."

With a more than quarter century of darkroom work, I most certainly am well acquainted with dodging, burning, masking, colour balance, cropping, retouching, montaging - all the interpretive techniques of the traditional darkroom.

"I don't think so, unless you use PhotoShop and then IMO you are out of the boundaries of photo, you're playing with graffic effects in a computer."

WRONG! Photoshop is a direct analogy to the fume-room. Any corrections, adjustments, interpretive gestures that I did every day in the darkroom, I do in Photoshop. All my printing techniques have moved directly from the enlarger to the screen.

Image processing occupies exactly the same spot in the digital workflow as does the lab in the workflow with film. Both are absolutely essential in photography.

While I spent much of my life doing photojournalism and similar objective photography, I have always done a wide variety of photo manipulations for my own pleasure. While moving this aspect of my work into the digital realm has a high comfort factor, pretty much anything I do in an image processing program, I also did in the traditional darkroom.

"I see that you mention life expentancy of CD and prints from digital compared to your lifetime. That is a wrong point of view, if you want
to become an artist or at least want to leave a legacy to your future or your family, look for something that last longer and print paper
had done that, you know it."

Dye based photographic materials have a finite lifespan. Pigment based will last for centuries. Even though I am doing dye-based printing currently, it has at least the lifespan of current analogue colour papers. Pigment based prints are within reach if legacy becomes significant.

"If your slides or neganives are fading are your fault, must be poor storage, under proper condition they will last more than a century."

The oldest colour work goes back nearly half a century. It has moved from Canada to the tropics, to the arctic and back. Much of the best work has been left behind. Life takes its toll.

"Regarding lab. costs, a regular(you call fumes) lab decent equipment complete set will cost you around 800.00 or 900.00, add 300.00 more for making or fixing(putting together the lab plus chemicals and paper) and still you tell me that you save in digital?"

I have an excellent colour enlarger, processing equipment great Nikon and Schneider enlarging lenses - everything. No place to set it up since around 1985.

"That your first print is always a keeper? Sure, after considerable time in PhotoShop it is possible."

Actually the critical component is a well-calibrated monitor and a well-trained pair of eyes. If the monitor is even slightly inaccurate, the print will be ruined.

Please feel free to explore my web site. There are a number of portfolios of both film and digitally based work, along with sharing of techniques. At this time, it is highly focused upon photography, though I expect to move more of my }multi-media content onto it in the future.

http://www.larry-bolch.com/

larry!
 
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